Ruby Rose
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MoB AwardsDear All,
Thought you might like to know the results of the MoB awards on Sunday night;
Best Female Burlesque Performer
Red Sarah
Best Male Burlesque Performer
Dusty Limits
Best Burlesque Club
Lady Luck
Best Burlesque Troupe
Hurly Burly
Best Burlesque Double Act
Fire Tusk Pain-Proof Circus
Best Burlesque Newcomer
Beatrix Von Bourbon
Best Female Singer
Dolores Delight
Best Male Singer
Dusty Limits
Best Band
The Palookaville Orchestra
Most Original Act
Fire Tust Pain-Proof Circus
Best Costume Designer
What Katie Did
Best Photographer
Tas Kyprianou
A fabulous time was had by all, I can't wait till next year.
Ruby
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smudge
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So the awards are in and unsurprisingly they've gone to the little core clique at the heart of the MoB. That's peer review for you.
What does all this mean to club going public exactly? Are these people really the best UK burlesque has to offer? Is having them on the bill going to guarantee great entertainment for an evening?
I have no idea.
I didn't vote because I hadn't seen a wide enough selection of acts to make an informed decision. I guess other people weren't so conscientious.
I tip my hat to all the winners anyway.
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James
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| smudge wrote: | | So the awards are in and unsurprisingly they've gone to the little core clique at the heart of the MoB. That's peer review for you. |
Not sure I like what's being implied here Smudge! For a start, we've only ever worked with about half of the winners so it's certainly not a clique!
Secondly, the awards were done in a way which allowed anybody to be nominated.
| smudge wrote: | | What does all this mean to club going public exactly? Are these people really the best UK burlesque has to offer? |
As with all forms of award, peoples opinions are going to be different. In total we received over 26,000 votes in the two stages of voting and the winners were the ones who gained the most votes. Some categories had clear majorities whilst some categories had as little as 200 votes between first and second places.
| smudge wrote: | | Is having them on the bill going to guarantee great entertainment for an evening? |
There are many more elements to having a great night than just the performers. There's the venue itself, the price of the drinks, how crowded it is and much more.
| smudge wrote: | | I didn't vote because I hadn't seen a wide enough selection of acts to make an informed decision. I guess other people weren't so conscientious. |
Like I said, there were over 26,000 votes cast. Obviously a proportion of those voting wouldn't have been familiar with all the performers that they voted for - but how many voters in the general election are 100% familiar with all the policies of the party that they're voting for?
We implemented as many security measures as possible to prevent fraudulent voting - IP address, voting frequency and browser cookie - are you suggesting that people take an exam before they are deemed to be qualified to vote?! 
| smudge wrote: | | I tip my hat to all the winners anyway. |
I'm sure they will all be glad to hear this!
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smudge
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Ignore me James, I'm just an old cynic.
It would have been nice to think that the winners of your awards were chosen by people who had seen dozens of acts and selected them as the best. I'm speculating that the results indicate that people just nominated the most well known names.
If that's the case then I think it's a shame, all the winners are absolutely brilliant, it would be sad if they thought they were rewarded for something other than merit.
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Ruby Rose
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Thank you for the healthy and open exchange of views gentlemen, but I may have to move this thread to the smoking lounge if you decide to start duelling, as I don't think the sensibilities of our dear ladies could survive a duel infront of our very eyes, all that blood is just unseemly.
Ruby
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James
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| smudge wrote: | | It would have been nice to think that the winners of your awards were chosen by people who had seen dozens of acts and selected them as the best. I'm speculating that the results indicate that people just nominated the most well known names. |
In general, the people that visit MoB are well informed about the burlesque scene. I certainly don't think that the awards went to the best known names either. If that were the case, Immodesty would have beaten Red Sarah for the best female performer and The Urban Voodoo machine would have beaten Palookaville for best band. Burly Q would have beaten Hurly Burly etc...
| smudge wrote: | | If that's the case then I think it's a shame, all the winners are absolutely brilliant, it would be sad if they thought they were rewarded for something other than merit. |
Maybe all 26,000 voters had an ulterior motive!
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BWI Mother
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Please forgive me gentlemen but Miss Ruby has asked that I politely escort you to the smoking lounge, where you may carry on your debate in more conducive surroundings.
Cigars and brandy will be duly provided.
Mother.
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smudge
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| James wrote: |
In general, the people that visit MoB are well informed about the burlesque scene. |
OK, so if that includes me then why does my apparently well informed opinion seem to be so invalid? If I'm not included amongst your cognoscenti then I'd like you to back up that statement. How can you know how well informed your website visitors are?
| James wrote: | | I certainly don't think that the awards went to the best known names either. |
Fair enough. That's your opinion and I respect that. I'm giving you mine, that's all. It's not heresy.
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Maybe all 26,000 voters had an ulterior motive! |
Whatever you say.
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James
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| smudge wrote: | | OK, so if that includes me then why does my apparently well informed opinion seem to be so invalid? |
I'm not sure where anybody has said that your opinion is invalid? However the two points you make - about awards going to a 'MoB clique' and awards going to the best well known people have been proven wrong. Still, you are entitled to stick to your opinion.
| smudge wrote: | | If I'm not included amongst your cognoscenti then I'd like you to back up that statement. How can you know how well informed your website visitors are? |
Well for a start, about 60% of the 10k-15k people who visit are repeat visitors - people who visit day after day. They keep returning to the site because of all the regularly-updated burlesque-related info on there - something that is not available anywhere else on the web. If these people are not interested in burlesque, perhaps there's another reason why they visit the site so religiously.
The site has a huge userbase of performers, promoters, talent agents and other burlesque industry workers who use it to communicate with other people too.
We also receive hundreds of emails every day from people who offer their opinions and conjecture about the scene in general - they seem to be very well informed judging by the clarity of most of the mail we receive.
| smudge wrote: | | Fair enough. That's your opinion and I respect that. I'm giving you mine, that's all. It's not heresy. |
Again you seem to be using words which I've never mentioned, nor thought about. I find it quite interesting that despite being an avid user of the MoB forums, you decided to make your opinions known on another forum though. I found it even more interesting that when I questioned you on your words, you said 'Ignore me James, I'm just an old cynic.' Does this mean that you think that your opinion is not valid? After all, you keep mentioning this.
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smudge
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| James wrote: |
I'm not sure where anybody has said that your opinion is invalid? |
It's implied by the vociferousness of your counter argument.
| James wrote: |
However the two points you make - about awards going to a 'MoB clique' and awards going to the best well known people have been proven wrong. Still, you are entitled to stick to your opinion. |
Actually you've proven nothing, you've merely denied there being a clique (which is pretty hard to prove one way or the other) and made some comparisons about how well known some performers are - which again is indeterminate . So I will stick to my opnion, thanks.
| James wrote: |
Well for a start, about 60% of the 10k-15k people who visit are repeat visitors - people who visit day after day. They keep returning to the site because of all the regularly-updated burlesque-related info on there - something that is not available anywhere else on the web. If these people are not interested in burlesque, perhaps there's another reason why they visit the site so religiously. |
I didn't say they weren't interested, I merely question your claim of how well informed they are. Being a regular visitor or contributor bears no relation to that persons breadth of knowledge.
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Again you seem to be using words which I've never mentioned, nor thought about. |
It's not about the words, it's about the tone.
| James wrote: |
I find it quite interesting that despite being an avid user of the MoB forums, you decided to make your opinions known on another forum though. |
Like it or not, your organisation is in the public eye so it's natural that it will be commented on in a number of places. I'm entitled to comment on a public event like the MoB awards in any place I choose.
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I found it even more interesting that when I questioned you on your words, you said 'Ignore me James, I'm just an old cynic.' Does this mean that you think that your opinion is not valid? After all, you keep mentioning this. |
No James, I think my opinion is as valid as the next man and will defend my right to have one to the last. I said 'ignore me' because I had no particular desire to make this into a big issue, but I guess we've gone beyond that now.
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DarklyDelicious Millicent
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Does anyone remember what we were saying the other weekend - its happened hasnt it!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
This is a very happy and contented forum I hope it isnt going to turn into a bitch, bitch ,bitch forum like some!
Are you going to have to start "locking" threads Ruby!
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lushem
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BOYS!!! back on your rugs!!!
I shall knock both your bleeding heads together in a minute!!!
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Man In A Hat
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Gentlemen, Gentlemen, Order please. Even with the move to the smoking room, may i be so bold as to suggest that this is a place for the drinking of rather fine port, and puffing on the pipe. Your views well reasonably expresed could easily distract me from the rather fine bevey of lovely ladies that surround us - and I am sure that you would agree that with such fine companions it would be rather fool hardy for us to waste time on this conversation.. Port all round!
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BWI Mother
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*knocks door gently ~ enters with cognac*
Now if no one minds, I would like to give you all a stiff drink, and suggest that we stop all this. So you don't all think I am behaving like the thought police, I will lock this thread around midnight as this thread is no longer in the spirit of all things BWI related, but if there is any more unpleasantry it will be deleted.
You may look upon me as the manners police, and should gentlemen wish to lock horns in here in future then please resort to langauge more befitting of days gone by, where a battle of whits was far more verbose and cads and dandies could rejoice in the hankie waving battle that ensued.
Mother.
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Man In A Hat
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Mother as always you are the model of respectability and common sense. (tips hat)
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DarklyDelicious Millicent
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Dear Ruby and MIAH 
I most certainly agree with you both.....this is not in the spirit of the "chaps olympics"!!
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Ruby Rose
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Quite so Miss Millicent, quite so.
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