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| Lillian Demure |
Finding a Man???Dear Auntie Bettie,I am finding it very hard to find a man. Do you have any advice? xx Lillian |
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| Herr Geist |
Go to a crowded place, close your eyes, and throw a rock. Whoever is on the ground holding their head when you open your eyes is your date for the evening. Repeat until you find a cool guy. | ||||
| Lillian Demure |
I like your thinking..
ahh.. was just depressed last night as I had ben to my friends engagement party.. I am better after a good nights sleep ;o) |
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| EllaEmerald |
We need more men in the burly scene, hmm, I'll see if I can find any... | ||||
| Herr Geist |
Recruit them! | ||||
| Miss Baby Bones |
most men all seem to be in the pub.
at least you can go there now and not get smelly due to smoke. my friend just took a crafts class and found a cute bloke there. yay! xxx |
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| Broomy |
Just for you darling:
http://www.mycutouts.co.uk/ |
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| Lillian Demure |
We've had the ban in Ireland for years.. I was so happy the last time I was in the uk and there was no smoking.. it's really alien to go into a pub and have to deal with smoke.. plus your hair stinks.. I may take up crafts.. hmmm ideas.. |
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| Miss Baby Bones |
yes i agree. i hate smelling of smoke.
it was woodwork my mate took up; i think 'crafts' in general is very blokey. tee hee! or some sort of sports. the gym (but obviously avoiding the morons) i was pleasantly surprised that my local gym didnt have too many idiots in it but a nice cross section of people. xxx |
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| Bella Sicilia |
I love this method! Pass me a rock someone! Wanna see if it works! 
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| Herr Geist |
With all the lovely ladies on this forum, I think it would be amusing to watch all the guys on the street climbing over each other to get hit in the head with a rock. 
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| Honeylulu |
Where's auntie Bettie? | ||||
| Warren |
probably throwing rocks somewhere....... | ||||
| honey moon |
ah age old problem, men and women have different ideas as to where they are going to meet there possible mate. bring back matchmakers ! (no not the chocolaty sticks )
mind you when you've got your guy then theres the problem of holding on to him as well lol. |
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| Herr Geist |
Honestly... I would prefer to find a girl at a pub. Not a big nightclub. Not a loud bar somewhere. A calm pub with a juke box and a relaxed atmosphere where I can talk to and get to know the girl. I need to know that she can have a drink or two and relax and have a sense of humor. Yes, I am aware that a lot of psychos hang out in liquor joints, but I've become a pro at spotting them so I'm not worried. I'm not saying she has to be an alcoholic weirdo. If she has a vodka cranberry once every hour... fine. If she can drink me under the table but not turn into a total witch... great. I don't care.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I need a girl that can relax and have a good time and not worry about a lot of crap in a social situation. I do want a lady, but I don't want a priss. |
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| Fleur du Mal |
So you're not picky then HG? | ||||
| Herr Geist |
What gave you that idea?
I'm incredibly picky. It keeps me single but I'd rather be alone than unhappy. EDIT: It occurred to me that you may have been using sarcasm. I'm getting over a horrible cold so my brain isn't back on par yet. |
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| DarklyDelicious Millicent |
I found mine on line..hes gorgeous..kind...gentle...funny everything you could want...shhhh "dont let Ruby see this" she is a bit of a green eyed monster with my tales of him!!! Love you really ruby!!!!! xxxx
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| Herr Geist |
... and possibly a serial killer! haha jk. I always give people shit when they find a mate online. Nothin wrong with it though. I eventually run across the locals on my myspace or whatever and they're usually okay. Sometimes they're a bit weird but it's not hard to walk away and never talk to them again haha. good for you, DDM! |
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| DarklyDelicious Millicent |
Hi
Yes agree there are alot of weird ppl and do have to be careful.....but like you say can always walk away/block/delete...... I found for us it was like an old fashioned date where you are chaperoned for ages until you actually get to meet!!! Only being on the phone and msn for months, ages to chat about stuff etc, then meet....so mad was that!!! Plus dont go looking for someone you never find if you look..it happens when you least expect it! xx |
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| Amber Rosia |
I've given up, I'm nearly fully divorced and I found someone I thought was special online, we chatted for ages, he came to visit and was even moving across country - then I found out he was engaged and I got torn to shreds by his fiancee 
Single and loving it now! |
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| Herr Geist |
To be honest... I think there is WAY too much importance placed on coupling and all that jazz. Love is everywhere. Companionship can be found in friends and even animals. But we're told that being with someone else is the best way to be and it's been beaten into us for so long that people tend to feel worthless if they don't have a significant other. I think that's crap. I like being who I am and there is a lot of liberty in being single. No one gets mad if you don't call them. You don't have to worry about saying the wrong thing unintentionally. Yes, that's a bit selfish, but it IS a perk to being single.
I don't mind having a girlfriend and settling into her routine a bit, but if I'm going to make that sacrifice then I'm going to need to make sure she makes me happy enough to do so. I don't just jump into relationships. I'll take a decent amount of time to get to know her and figure out what she's hiding from me, if anything. And I wont date online. It's not that I think there is anything wrong with it, but unless I can see you in person and get to know your body language and quirks, I won't trust you. I'm a face to face guy. I don't mind meeting someone from the internet but I wont start making up my mind until I've been seeing them in person for a while. I haven't dated anyone from the net though so I haven't had to do that yet. This is all just MY personal attitude. Others can go about it the way they'd like. My point is that I don't think you should measure your worth by whether you have someone in your life or not. I understand loneliness, but I also think people need to get a lot less co-dependent because if you can't be happy alone, you aren't going to get any happier by filling your void with the wrong puzzle piece. |
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| Lillian Demure |
I am starting to try the interweb but tbh I don't think it's for me.. I think I am a lill bit like herrgeist.. I need to be able to see their smile..
I am a sucker for a good smile.. still will give this a go for a month or so and see what happens.. 
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| Broomy |
Sigh! Do I know that problem or what? |
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| Katrina Orchid |
Does anyone have any fail-safe tips of charming (and seducing) a man who you really like without turning into a stuttering idiot?
Sadly I can be very shy in those situations. |
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| Herr Geist |
buy him a beer and hand it to him topless. 
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| Katrina Orchid |
lol where would i be standing should i hand him a beer topless?? on his lap??
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| Herr Geist |
Anywhere you want. Just make sure there's no top on that beer, darlin'!
In all seriousness, I will tell you this. Most men love the chase. I know I do. If I walk up and talk to you and it takes no effort at all to get a phone number or a date, then it's a bit boring. More important than the "boring" aspect, it can make a guy think that maybe you're desperate. Now, everyone gets desperate from time to time and there's nothing wrong with it. But, since we just met you, we don't know if that means you're constantly desperate (batshit insane) or if you're just feeling lonely lately. Women that come on strong give me the sense that they're overcompensating for something else. So, in the words of Johnny Depp ala "Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas".... MAKE THE BASTARD CHASE YOU! Oh... and don't worry about being shy when we're pursuing. Men are stupid. The less you give us, the harder we'll try. Wanna see a man do some really stupid crap? Make your responses to him one word long but smile at him at the same time. By the end of the night, you could quite possibly have the guy hanging off the lighting fixtures waving a banner with your name on it and singing his favorite ABBA song. Remember, hon, you're the girl. That gives you a huge advantage over any man in the cat and mouse arena.
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| lushem |
i know a lovely single man, who is so desperately shy, he is very tall, (hence the name Tall Paul) and is apparently very good at ceroc dancing,
he just dosen't have the confidence to speak to women he likes, but when you do start talking to him, he is lovely and attentive, says all the right things fancy a date?? |
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| Cecilia Rouge |
Ouch honey! Sounds like you got out lucky but still crap 
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| Cecilia Rouge |
I cant be bothered with all that chasing business, im far to busy, I just enjoy test driving the engine and if it works fine then ill buy the car, I tend to fall into natural patterns with people anyway.
I do think you have a point though, but I find the busier you are the more in demand you become, men and women love to see someone who can take care of themselves I think, if you are out there having fun and living life to the full that is damn more sexy than someone who wont text back for a few hours because they are playing hard to get. xxxx
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| Herr Geist |
The busier a woman is, the more likely it is that she has a brain. It's not always true. I know some very busy women who probably would stop breathing if they didn't concentrate on it hard enough. They may be pretty... but I learned my lesson with going after girls purely for looks. It's like having a Ferrari with no engine. It looks great but there's just no thrill once you get your hands on it.
Games like you're talking about are a bad idea. Scanning calls or not returning text messages to see how many times I'll text or call back will get you nowhere. I call once. You either call back or you don't. No skin off my nose either way. I think the art of flirting is a lot more important than playing games. |
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| Katrina Orchid |
Thanks for the advice and the massive confidence-booster. I'm in university at the moment and I feel very comfortable with my new friends and flatmates. But on the odd days I just want someone to cuddle... So as a reassurance I'm not desperate.
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| Herr Geist |
I'm sure you'd have no trouble finding a cuddle buddy if you really wanted to.
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| Cecilia Rouge |
Iagree Herr, I find games like that a time waster, if you like someone you should just go for it, I see friends get down because a guy hasnt called or text or they refuse to call or text first, that wont get you anywhere, like you say, give it a shot, if they dont respond then its their loss not yours!
Agree with the looks, its not always about that, yes, looks are great at first but I always think to myself, could I sit at a table with this person having dinner and having one of those great chats where you talk for hours with that person, if I cant imagine it, i.e. I wouldnt know what to talk to them about or feel there wouldnt be any physical or mental stimulation then I know they are not for me, or even better could you go on a long car journey or any journey with them and know you would have lots to talk about?
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| Herr Geist |
Well... looks are important to a point. If I'm not physically attracted to a girl, I won't be romantically interested even if all of her other attributes are flawless. I have plenty of girls like that in my life and they're all just friends. *shrugs* GREAT friends!
But... I also can appreciate an individuals unique beauty. I don't have a "type" per say. *shrugs* It's not easy to explain. But, yes, the physical attraction must be present. |
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| Katrina Orchid |
Herr, I agree with you there. Physical attraction tends to play a role in liking someone; they don't have to be 'beautiful or handsome' as long as they are attractive in your eyes.
In my opinion physical attraction is what makes 'finding a man/woman' so difficult. (Yes, I did spend all day to come up with that conclusion) You absolutely love talking to a person who becomes your great friend and when there is no physical attraction, it just doesn't quite work. It must have been easier for the victorians and beyond when a marriage wasn't about physical attraction... |
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| Herr Geist |
Yeah, but at least you took the time out to think it through. Most people don't do that these days. They just run onto the battlefield screaming and get cut down without a chance. So... good for you! I've never lived the Victorian lifestyle, but with the thoughts I've formed on the subject, I definitely prefer the way we find mates now. The great thing about the world we live in is that we're so overcrowded, there is no shortage of good looking people. It's true that a lot of good looking people are self-absorbed idiots without a solid thought in their pretty little heads, but there are also a lot of good looking people out there that are intelligent and caring. I think this forum proves it! I know it's hard to believe that they're out there but I think we've come to judge anyone with good looks with a sort of prejudice now. We think all pretty people are going to be stuck up or stupid, and, the worst part is, we tend to get intimidated by those we find attractive because magazines and movies have taught us that anyone we find attractive is probably too good for us and they know it. I honestly don't understand how NOT to be fearless in this arena. You look at someone and you think "Wow, I want to get to know them." Do it! The worst that can happen is they'll already be in a relationship or they won't be into you. Rejection can suck but what if you get what you want? It's ALWAYS worth the risk. I know I'm not the best lookin' guy on the planet (not fishing because I don't think I'm ugly either) and I don't think I'm entitled to anything, but if you put me in a situation where I can talk to the prettiest woman in the world, I'll walk right up and start a conversation. Pretty doesn't scare me. Stupidity scares me. I refuse to mess with girls that have boyfriends or husbands. If they lie to me about it, they get ejected from my life with no warning. Cheaters are the worst. I cheated once when I was a stupid 17 year old kid and I can tell you that it's the kind of guilt that eats at the soul. I never want to feel like that again. Those who are comfy with doing something like that really should have their asses kicked. So, I'm not saying that there isn't danger or disappointment or rejection around every corner when it comes to modern mating/dating, but if you find the right person, I think all the bullshit we have to deal with is worth it. I may choose to remain single but I'm still keeping my doors open because I know that one day the girl of my dreams is gonna stumble right through them. I'm going to lay a cliche on you now and say that you MUST be happy with yourself first before you can be happy with someone else. You don't have to consider yourself perfect, but you gotta like yourself. It helps you keep a clear head when dealing with the opposite sex. A clear head allows your intuition and awareness of the other person to be a bit more accurate and you can make logical decisions about them faster. Without that confidence of liking yourself, you might just cling to the wrong person because they acknowledged your existence. That's a really bad idea and you will wind up a ton more miserable than you were when you were single. I'm going to stop typing now because I don't think anyone wants to read a novel on dating while visiting the BWI.
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| Cecilia Rouge |
eek, im tying myself in verbal knots! I meant in my bit that looks are important to a certain extent, you need that physical attraction, but then who defines that as everyone has different ideas of what beautiful is.
Its a cliche, but yes, being happy with yourself first is in important as that shines through! |
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| Anna Fur Laxis |
It was my husband's shoes that first attracted me to him... | ||||
| Cecilia Rouge |
Do elaborate....
It was my boy's uniform that attracted me to him! 
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| Anna Fur Laxis |
Veeeeery pointed, cuban heeled zip up boots.
...and veeeeery tight hipsters
...and no VPL. I had to find how he acheived this look with no VPL  *
*no P, that's how 
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| Miss Baby Bones |
lol panties!
xxx |
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| Herr Geist |
That happens. 
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| Katrina Orchid |
Your husband must be a very cool guy. I must high-five you
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| Miss Baby Bones |
ooh HG lookit you!
you seem suitably serious as well! xxx |
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| Herr Geist |
A friend of mine e-mailed me that about 2 weeks ago. Too bad I lost all the other ones in a hard drive crash because that's the worst one ever taken of me I think haha. And now it's the only one I have
ah well |
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| Cecilia Rouge |
How did he not achieve VPL? Was he wearing some of those wonderful 'no lines' tummy tuck hold it all in jobbies from M&S??
HG, when did you say you were in town again
My boyf is a policeman, it gets me everytime, even the minging nasty ones, if they have that bullet vest on and all the uniform I go weak at the knees! |
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| Herr Geist |
I've only seen a few variations of british cop uniforms but they're pretty snazzy from what I've seen. | ||||
| Anna Fur Laxis |
Au contraire, the trick is to wear no pants at all.
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| Cecilia Rouge |
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| Katrina Orchid |
oh my.... | ||||
| EvelynNouveau |
Omg i needed this advice sooo much! i just got chucked by a guy who i thought was perfect but then he buggered off to Leeds to 'further his career' i'm seeing him again on monday but i think its gonna end then, i have hardly spoken to him since he left on 8th december! so he can't be that bothered can he?
I might be being paranoid but im gna dress to kill when i see him, make him wish he never left hehe This guy asked me to move in with him might i add. Loser. Any extra advice guys? Im really nervous! Evelyn |
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| Lily Lain |
He's not bothered since 8th Dec? Darling, he's not worth the time and effort! But I guess we don't need a reason to get glammed up so this is a good a reason as any!! The only advice that I can give is to ask him straight, i've learnt that that's the best way to be with a man.
(also, did he ask you to move in with him where you currently are or to move to Leeds with him?) Lily x p.s on the subject of the original post, I need help finding a man also... tips and advice greatly appreciated.
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| EvelynNouveau |
where he currently is not leeds, he's only text me if i've text first nd thts onli been twice or so! i've had more texts from his family then him!
I know its an awesome excuse, killer heels stockings, lipstick, the works! for sum reason i had a real attachment to this guy... nevermind if it works out woop if not il just b free nd single!
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| Miss Baby Bones |
ask yourself why you're even bothering to meet him; you're a fab young lady, he sounds like a right horrid selfish so and so you dont need him xxx |
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| Anna Fur Laxis |
I'd ring him (leave voicemail if he's not picking up) and say "you know we we'd arranged to meet up? Well, I can't be bothered. Bye!" Then after that, don't give him another thought. | ||||
| EvelynNouveau |
I would but i'm too soft! i think i'm just gonna give him something to miss, then leave and send him an invite to my first burlesque performance and see just how bothered he is then!
hehe I know he's a complete loser but sadly i have a thing for Bad Boys
Evelyn xxxxx |
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| Miss Baby Bones |
you'd better have a pretty strong resolve then luv,
blokes like that are good talkers and always manage to worm their way out of things. trust me, he'd be more peeved if you DON'T show. if you show all dressed up its pretty obvious how you feel... unless you show with another man on your arm, lol xxx |
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| Miss Baby Bones |
or arrange to meet him and then don't show at all;
that'll annoy the git. really, he's not worth a second more of your time hun! xxx |
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| Katrina Orchid |
I back up what Baby Bones just said. He should be crawling on his knees begging and kissing your feet. | ||||
| EvelynNouveau |
He should be but sadly he isnt, nevermind eh? i guess i'll just have to go and see right? | ||||
| Herr Geist |
no | ||||
| EvelynNouveau |
no as in... not worth it? or no i should'nt go see him?
I really wana show off my new shoes and not much else! Thats the reason, Evelyn xxxx |
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| Herr Geist |
I think you should just cut him out of your life as much as you possibly can. I know it doesn't seem right somehow but you gotta move on and he's not worth the time. | ||||
| Cecilia Rouge |
I have to say I agree with Herr, he is not worth it and will probably enjoy playing you along. Im high fiving BB's and Anna's ideas here, you should walk away feeling the more stronger and fabulous one!
Good luck hun xxx |
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| Pieman |
Instead of going to see him, go for a good night out with a couple of girly friends and that will give you the excuse to get dressed up still
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| Lily Lain |
Alternatively stick on those new shoes, take pics and share with us all so that we can swoon over your new shoes!!
Although, I definitely say a night out with the girls is a MUCH better idea than giving some man a few hours of your time when he's clearly not worth them. Lily x |
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| EvelynNouveau |
Hehe i will post up pics of my new shoes when i get chance i promise.
Sadly i have one taken best friend so girly nights are hard to come by. I know your all saying don't bother but i wana know what he's up to so i can step on his balls in my stilettos when i find out he's caught syphillis or something suitably stupid. Then i can move on with my life and be sadly single for ages
Evelyn xxxxx |
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| Lily Lain |
Yes, that sounds like a smashing idea... (Damn, I think i'm a sadist ) 
But if you don't find out that he has any sort of STI or that he's miserable without you, then that will make you miserable and as great an excuse as that is to go shopping it's not worth the effort... If you want to know, just ask him outright what he wants. Saves you time. Lil x |
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| Herr Geist |
I think you're setting yourself up for a big lose here. This is not going to go the way you're seeing it in your head. | ||||
| EvelynNouveau |
I know that but i wana be able to hear the truth from him face to face.
and maybe yell at him a bit hehe. I dunno if he's done anything yet but he's been away and ignoring me so i am uber suspicious... Evelyn xxxx |
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| Herr Geist |
if the guy hasn't really bothered with you in nearly a month, it's over. whether he said it or not. take it from a guy.
of course... I'd never be that inconsiderate |
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| EvelynNouveau |
God i must sound like a complete physco woman!
i'm really sorry!!! |
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| Lily Lain |
That would make you one of a kind. Men do not necessarily "get up" to stuff while away, but he clearly hasn't considered himself in a relationship while he's been away or else he'd have called you. I don't want to sounds really harsh and I know that this will so I apologise, but have some pride and leave him to it. Lily x |
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| Herr Geist |
That's not true. Not even close. But it's that kind of thought process that gets guys in trouble for very little. You don't sound psycho. You're reeling because he didn't break it off solid. There's no closure. But if someone doesn't call you for a month... honestly... how much do they miss you? After a few weeks? He may not want it to be over but he's clearly not as interested as he should be. |
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| Lily Lain |
Okay, perhaps not one of a kind in the whole entire world, but one of a kind in the males that I know/talk to. I don't know many men who would break things off sensibly... THAT's the kind of thing that gets them into trouble for very little. Pah. Evelyn I just want to make you a nice cup of tea and tell you that everything will be okay. x |
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| Herr Geist |
I measure everyone on my personal interaction with them. Not the opinions I've formed about people like them. Could you imagine if I prejudged every black person I met? I'd be a racist and people would hate me on principle because I'm being unfair and hateful.
I think that should work whether a person has a penis or a vagina, too. I'll give anyone a chance. Black, white, female, male... but if you turn out to be an asshole... that's that. |
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| Lily Lain |
In that case, i'm buggered... haha  only kidding.
No, I do fully agree. Everyone should definitely be given a chance on their own merits. |
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| EvelynNouveau |
Awww thanks lily!
If everyone should be given a chance shouldn't i give him a chance to explain? His family did tell me that he hasn't even phoned them since he went so it could be its not neccasarily personal to me? *hugs* Lily! Evelyn xxxx *wanders off to get good cup of tea!* |
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| Herr Geist |
I'd go give him a chance to explain because that should be done face to face. All I'm saying is, don't go in there with the idea that it's still going to be a romantic thing. You also have to let him know that he has messed up. | ||||
| Lily Lain |
I said everyone should be judged on their own merits, his merits aren't very high!!
From how you're describing the situation nothing that we say or do will change your mind about going, just make sure that you know exactly what you want to ask him when you get there, stay strong and make sure that he knows that you're there to let him answer for himself so that you're not making up stories in your head anymore and then judge it from there, but remember not to be too upset if he does come straight out with something that you don't want to hear. *hugs* You'll be fine lovely lady, every girl has to go through this. Lily xx |
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| EvelynNouveau |
Oh absolutely he is gna have to be on his knees and have a pretty F*ckin good explination for being such a dick!
But i know he's only phoned his mum once since he left so... I dunno we shall see but i will let you know what happens |
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| Lily Lain |
On another (but still quite similar to the original topic) note: I saw the most beautiful man today, he is half English, half Japanese, he has the most amazing smile, he works in a shop that I go into quite a lot and I think i'm in love  haha... but seriously, he is lovely. I'm too shy to ever say anything to anyone though, rubbish eh?
x |
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| Herr Geist |
Well... as long as you don't say something like "OMG You're GORGEOUS!", you should be fine. Don't be shy. | ||||
| Lily Lain |
haha.. I could never imagine myself saying something so terrible.
I do giggle a lot when I talk to him though...
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| Miss Baby Bones |
boys hardly EVER ring their mums hun, so thats no excuse.
if he wanted to contact you he would have. and he didn't. if he's behaved this badly now he will do it again. don't even bother seeing him, you're worth so much better. sounds like you need some more girly friends as well! and going to nice places to meet hot new men!! big hugs hun xxx |
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| Herr Geist |
TRUTH! My mother is no longer with us, but even when she was alive... I never called her. Like... ever. And I lived 1000 miles away. |
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| EvelynNouveau |
Funnily enuf i met quite a few at work today being a geek from tesco lol there was this one guy with the most amazing blue eyes but he had to be taken he was stunning! i was too scared to say anything other than theres your change and i got flirted with by a bit of a geek but i was tired and too short of patience to entertain him!
lol xxx |
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| Katrina Orchid |
I have a little problem of my own...
Someone I used to see last year broke it off with me. I was devastated by it; I took anti-depressants to help me a bit but I'm happy and lovely right now. Until he texted me last night; he couldn't call me because his baby son was asleep so it explains why it's in text format. But he said that he misses me and that a year ago he had issues with fatherhood which he couldn't share with me so he broke it off. The annoying thing is, he did that on Christmas day. It ruined my ski-ing holiday in Switzerland and I became dependant on a lot of things like prozac, alcohol and drugs. I'm infuriated at the moment about all this bad timing!! Can I have a hug? |
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| Lily Lain |
*hugssssssss*
That's the best I can offer. Lily x |
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| Miss Vincent |
*BIG HUG*
Hey, honey, take it easy...you already got over this bloke once, so you can definately do it again! Don't throw all the porgress you made away just because he's selfishly texted you like that. Take care of yourself. x |
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| Herr Geist |
Good lord! That's an ugly situation.
I hope you feel better, sweetie. I'd love to give you a great big bear hug. |
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| Katrina Orchid |
Thanks. He's actually expecting an email from me and I want to tell him how I wish that he fell of the face of the earth or that if he died i won't attend his funeral. But that is too cruel for me to tell him. | ||||
| Herr Geist |
You want me to kick his butt? Because I WILL! | ||||
| Katrina Orchid |
I would say make him infertile but he had already beat me to it and got his ex-girlfriend pregnant and now his son is almost 1years old. However yes please kick his butt for me! And make him cough up the money I lent him but he never gave back (£50 and a £200 MP3) |
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| Herr Geist |
*salutes*
Once I hit British soil... his ass is mine! |
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| Lily Lain |
I really wish that people would use such lines when referring to me... but not in the same sense.
"When I hit British soil, her ass is mine" hahaha*giggles to self* |
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| Herr Geist |
I'm not THAT rude. I'd only whisper that to you so no one else could hear. haha
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| Lily Lain |
you little charmer! x
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