Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 122 Location: Manchester
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: Photography / Photoshop / Make-up
So I read a whole bunch of stuff the other day about shading a models face in photoshop using dodge (lightening) and burn (darkening) filters. So I am told this is very similar to applying make-up, using different types of shading to enhance your features. The effect looked really cool, really added a 3d feel to someone's face and I have a couple of questions;
If you know about make-up is is something people do and how long did it take you to get any good at working out the areas that need shading to get that look?
If you are a photographer does this make sense and is it something you've tried?
Going from no shading / make-up knowledge looks like a big jump, tried it the other day on a reasonably well shot photo and the results we terrible, probably due to lack of experience. Just want to know if its worth trying to develop the knack.
Joined: 10 May 2007 Posts: 4956 Location: Brighton, England
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject:
This is an extremely common practice, especially in fashion and makeup photography.
I'll try to google up some tutorials and examples for you. I used to do this for people but it's a long process and hard to explain without being there.
You'd be better off reading the same tutorials and info that I did.
give me a day or two to find them again. _________________ Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.
Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 122 Location: Manchester
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject:
Thanks for the help! I did get the impression it wasn't immediately easy and a plug-in can't do it. Any help welcome and appreciated. _________________ www.manchesterphotographer.com
and you're welcome. If I cant find the tutorials and stuff I used, I'll find some that are suitable. _________________ Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.
Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 533 Location: West Midlands
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:48 am Post subject:
That's amazing but why didn't he just tell the model to put makeup on in the first place? Would have saved himself a load of time.
Also he whitened the eyes, took out the blood vessels, put them back in again & then took them back out again.
I can understand photoshopping to cover blemishes & stuff but why start on a blank canvas? I watched another youtube vid on photoshopping to make people look slimmer & I had a bit of a play with photos of myself - damn, wish I hadn't!
Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 112 Location: North West England
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject:
i'm personally not a fan of dodging and burning in a photograph at all...the most i have ever done is dodged a little in someones eyes to bring them out if the photo was a little dark...i'm too much of a purist i suppose
take the picture well enough the first time, then there should be no need for manipulation afterwards (and manipulation it is, in my opinion)
eff up the picture, and well, you've learnt something for next time
BUT thats only my opinion, if you can do it and make it look good, good on ya, and it can definately enhance a picture for the better.
as for advice, work with very low opacity and a soft edged brush, so you can build up the effect, and maybe have a look in the tutorial section of deviantart.com and see if there are any tutorials on there, its fab for that kind of thing
Joined: 10 May 2007 Posts: 4956 Location: Brighton, England
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject:
Twiglet speaks the truth. I agree with that entire post.
Even when I was doing the work, I didn't really understand why a photographer wouldn't go to lengths to ensure that I didn't have to do this stuff. But money is money. I won't do anything immoral, but if you want me to paint someone up like a clown in Photoshop, I'll do it! haha. It just seems to me that your MUA and your knowledge of lighting and composition should get you past the need for this.
The only time I do this for pictures now is if I snap a picture with a point-and-shoot camera at a club or a concert and one of my friends either has serious red eye or a great big zit on their face or somethin. haha.
And, yes, DeviantArt has some very talented people as members. Look at their tutorials and you'll probably find some very good stuff. _________________ Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.
Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 122 Location: Manchester
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject:
Thanks for all the feedback, especially HG for the tutorial.
Photo post processing is always a hot bed of discussion about doing too far. I guess I became interested after I over exposed a picture of someone that had spectacularly pale skin tones. I got the hair just right, but the face lacked depth and I looked around and found vague references about reintroducing depth using selective shading.
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